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  Interview with an Apostate: Template

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  here's the template of questions to use ready to copy / paste and complete.

  feel free to add suggestions for additional questions and to nominate people you'd like to read about (but not no one is obliged to do one).

  also, add your own story too!.

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  Chessa Manion: When A Victim Becomes The Perp

  by NonCoinCollector in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is a hard one for me to write and words can't describe my frustration in seeing this.

  from wbko news: .

  bowling green, ky. (wbko) - bowling green police have arrested two people on multiple charges following a rape.. police say the victim told them she was kidnapped, raped, and assaulted.. police also say the rape was recorded by a man named colton hogendorn, who was arrested after police found him on 25 chestnut street.. hogendorn is charged with rape first degree, kidnapping, strangulation, assault, sodomy, and video voyeurism.. police also arrested chessa manion, who was present during the events, and arrested and charged with complicity to the same charges.. both were taken to the warren county regional jail.. .

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  There are three very strong reasons why some previous victims become perpetrators. One is mentioned above.

  Just like all of us, victims can become under the influence of some pretty unhealthy people. Whether that is in a group or with an individual the controls are the same. Unless we learn what those are, we remain susceptable to the crazies around us everywhere.

  Think of it as switched addictions. We learn to sacrifice who we are for the rules of another person or group. What I read of the article was that she did not participate but was present. For all we know she could have been tired up and forced to watch. But even if she was being "forced" to watch she was present.

  While victims are being abused (as children) they learn to go to another place in their heads. They freeze because as a child they don't have a lot of choices. Fighting or running away are pretty much not going to happen. So they freeze. In that dissociative state they cannot think about what is happening. They think about anything else except being there. The more often they are abused the stronger the dissociation so they do what they are told and block out what is happening. Not the same as forgetting. Some do and others don't.

  As they get older dissociating becomes a way to deal with anything you don't like. Just space out and pretend whatever is happening isn't really happening at all. So in a situation like this it is possible for the person to stand there, perhaps follow simple instructions and really ignore what she is seeing. She becomes incapable of taking appropriate actions and protecting the new victims.
  

  There is another option and this one is frequent with male victims but rare with women but it does happen.

  Abusing another person is a way to get the power you didn't have as a child. Remember sexual assault on anyone is not about the sex. it is about power. The man clearing wanted power and was using someone else to get it. If he was also controlling Chessa he doubles the power he is stealing from others. If she is participating in any way then she too is trying to capture power from the victim and align herself with the male abuser. In cases where women become sexual abusers there is often other mental health issues stemming from previous abuse but possibly other issues as well.

  I would pretty much assume the male abuser was also a victim as a child. These are NOT excuses. They are possible explanations for behavior.
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  Changes In Canada

  by LetTheTruthBeKnown in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am surprised no one has mentioned what is going on in canada.. maybe they have but i missed it.

  so here are some of the facts as i know them.

  ontario only.. sault st. marie had their six congregations whittled down to two.

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  The Aylmer Assembly Hall is still being used. My neighbor goes to it. it just reopened after covid

  Heaven Sorry to read about your Dad
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  Share This?

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i notice now that ops have a "share this" in the upper right hand corner.

  i know how to do it on fb, how do we do it here?.

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  Mine opened a Facebook page to make the post
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  BLONDIE - It's wonderful to hear from you again

  by Listener in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  blondie, it's so nice to hear from you after a two year break.

  i didn't notice your return 10 days ago.

  i'm so excited to read all your new posts.. i hope life has treated you well over the last two years.. i think about you every now and then and others do as well.

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  Thank you Beth Sarim and Listener
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  BLONDIE - It's wonderful to hear from you again

  by Listener in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  blondie, it's so nice to hear from you after a two year break.

  i didn't notice your return 10 days ago.

  i'm so excited to read all your new posts.. i hope life has treated you well over the last two years.. i think about you every now and then and others do as well.

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  I didn’t realize you had left until you posted about it. So welcome back to you too
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  the cheap trick for believers...

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yesterdays wt study (wt january 2022) stressed the issue, to set aside time to deepen the relationship to god.. in order to strengthen one`s faith, it was encouraged to ask god anytime for basically anything.

  and each time god answers your prayers the faith grows.. now, each one of us has wishes, desires, hopes.

  some naturally will fail, some will come true.

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  I was 10 when I started praying for God to help me stop my father from abusing me. Well that didn't work. I actually walked into a police station and reported him - 60 years ago. The police arrested him. Now some people would say that God gave me the strength to do it. No I don't think so.

  Later I prayed for help to stop my step-father. Well that one didn't work either. My mother caught him with me and put me in foster care and kept him. Nice new JW studying family. Well I suppose some might say God made her walk in and catch him.

  A few years later I was praying again for my elder husband to stop abusing me. That didn't work either until I left him and the JWs.

  I see a definite theme here. God did not intervene. Not ever. It was always me that had to do it. Not as a child and not as a JW wife.

  OK I will roll my eyes and some might say God DID help.

  Well he isn't exactly helping me now with the cancer. Personally I think he should be doing more important things; stop wars, deal with famine, would be good places to start but I don't exactly see any god helping with any of that. God seems to be willing to watch women, children and babies be slaughtered in different parts of the world and god sits and does nothing.

  Even my children were young they called social services for friends who were being abused.

  If kids can do something to protect the innocent why can't any god do it?
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  Different versions of the NWT?

  by HowTheBibleWasInvented in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  having noted in the last 3 days a romour of a new revisal of the nwt etc i thought i would see if i have all the nwts in my collection:.

  1. christian greek scriptures.

  4. job- song of solomon.

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  Wikipedia has this list of Bibles published by the WTS:

  • New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Study Edition) (2015, revised annually)
  • New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures—With References (1984)

  New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (students' edition) (1963)

  • New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (1961, revised 1970, 1971, 1981, 1984, 2006, 2013)

  New World Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, Volume I (Genesis to Ruth) (1953)

  New World Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, Volume II (1 Samuel to Esther) (1955)

  New World Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, Volume III (Job to Song of Solomon) (1957)

  New World Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, Volume IV (Isaiah to Lamentations) (1958)

  New World Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, Volume V (Ezekiel to Malachi) (1960)

  New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures (1950, revised 1951)

  • The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures (1969, revised 1985; out of print, available online)

  The Watch Tower Society also acquired publishing rights for the following Bible translations:

  • The Bible in Living English (1972, revised 1989; out of print, available online)—by Steven T. Byington
  • American Standard Version (1944)
  • King James Version (1907 with Watch Tower Society appendices entitled Berean Bible Teachers' Manual,[1] revised 1908; 1942)

  The Emphatic Diaglott (1902, 1926)

  Holman Linear Parallel Edition (1902, parallel King James Version and Revised Version, with Watch Tower Society appendices)[2]

  Joseph B. Rotherham's New Testament Critically Emphasised, Second Edition (1890)
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  Lies, Damn Lies.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/home-and-garden/jehovahs-witnesses-to-resume-in-person-services-opt-not-to-resume-door-to-door-ministry/ar-aavnxv0 .

  so apparently robert hendricks the spin doctor of the wt society has been proudly telling news channels how wonderful the wt org has been during the 2 years of the pandemic, checking in with each and every member to meet their needs on a weekly basis.. except, based on the comments of former jw friends on facebook, it's news to most of them since they are screaming out that they were totally neglected by the elders/ms throughout most of that period.

  a couple even said that because of being ignored by the congregation during this time, that they have walked away completely.

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  FedUpJW

  i am sorry to hear that.

  “love on their lips but none in their heart.” Sounds exactly right
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  Lies, Damn Lies.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/home-and-garden/jehovahs-witnesses-to-resume-in-person-services-opt-not-to-resume-door-to-door-ministry/ar-aavnxv0 .

  so apparently robert hendricks the spin doctor of the wt society has been proudly telling news channels how wonderful the wt org has been during the 2 years of the pandemic, checking in with each and every member to meet their needs on a weekly basis.. except, based on the comments of former jw friends on facebook, it's news to most of them since they are screaming out that they were totally neglected by the elders/ms throughout most of that period.

  a couple even said that because of being ignored by the congregation during this time, that they have walked away completely.

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  Lee Marsh

  Hi Atlantis. Missed ya a lot